Up this week, we take a look at the Croydon Trams, which serve a very niche little network south of the Thames.
Date of Travel: May 2023
Rolling Stock: Bombardier CR4000
Operator: Transport for London
Origin: East Croydon Tram Stop, Greater London, United Kingdom (England)
Destination: Wimbledon Tram Stop, Greater London, United Kingdom (England)
Cost of ticket: £1.75 ($2.20, €2.05)
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41 Comments
Living in Croydon the tam is great for some people but in reality it doesn't serve anyone living on the north south axis of the borough. Seems the routes were really to draw folk in from rival retail cores and make travel from New Addington easier.
I would love it if there was a new route connecting Croydon to Brixton. Yh there's the 109 and 250 but these are the only direct connections and a tram could be faster with less frequent stops and all the advantages it gets at traffic lights whilst offering a cheaper alternative mode of transport towards central London.
Well, Paris also has a "very somewhat" tram service😅 2 or 3 short lines in the north.
Good information to know when visiting London.
Just sad they don't go as far as Lewisham, as doing so would link back to the DLR and thus the Underground.
Or smart card with a Travelcard on it
Strictly speaking, they are London trams though. All routes run through London boroughs, regardless of not going into Central London.
While it's confusing how to pay (I kept looking for a ticket booth) it's great that once you tap in you don't have to tap out….unless you get off at Wimbledon. The only station you have to tap out.
Ahh, the nostalgia! Didn't go on them much whilst there, but I remember being on them!
I have been on the Tramlink many times and it’s such a good tram network in South London that serves Croydon and Wimbledon. And the trams are very good.
I challenge you to visit the West Midlands metro
Says they're niche and then tells us they're busy… …and great.
Short and sweet, thankfully the sun was shining the whole time.
Thanks for sharing
Awesome work sir.
System is crying out for expansion.
The ticketing method of London Tramlink is neither tourist friendly, nor suitable fopr the elderly, thus highly discriminatory! I wonder how they got by with this up until today. I also wonder why they don´t have a unified ticket for all public transport systems in London.
Oof!
Felt sorry for you on that Southern service at the beginning there,
3 + 2 Seating is Never good!
you forgot to do Glasgow Central to East Kilbride
Both of these brands can also be found in my city, Kraków. And ones of them were produced in the same time as CR4000s, when German branch of Bombardier built original Bombardier Flexities (known locally as NGT6/1) in a form of 24 there section sets (of which half of them have 4 doors and another ones have 5 doors (additional added single wing door in the rear)) and this company was successful here as it also won two additional tenders: one for the trams of the size and look, but the new livery and front and rear, called NGT6/2, in a form of 36 sets produced around 2007 and another one for much longer ones with completely new design, called NGT8 and produced in 2012. Stadler is still producing the 110 trams and it's also caused by the organisation of the major sports event: The Variobahns were produced for 2012 Olympic Games, while Tangoes are still in production for (outside of extention of 50 to Borek Fałęcki (it's completed) and Górka Narodowa (in construction)) 3rd European Games in Kraków.
I went on the trams in January with my dad, we got a thameslink from London bridge to East Croydon to get one. Didn't know about heading to the southern end of the platforms, would've saved lots of time.
just a small correction: you don't need to tap out in any station apart from Wimbledon, and the reason is otherwise you might be charged the nation rail fare. Moreover, if you come in from the main barriers at wimbledon you have to tap twice, once at the entrance and once before boarding the tram. I guess you have just been "unlucky" to get off to the only station which requires tapping in and out and it made you think you have to do it at every station 🙂
It's a pity they didn't keep expanding it to other suburbs (and that they abandoned the nicer and more Londony red livery).
I'm headed to London and and the UK in general next summer (first time!). I'm a bit of transit nerd too so seeing all of your transit stuff makes me more excited!
Dylan can u do Buses For the trips?
Used them for my daily commute before retirement. They get very busy at times, do not miss the 6.15am crush-a-thon to Wimbledon.
Still very good value when using with buses.
always enjoy using the Croydon Tram. The traffic in that part of London can be bad at times, and it is easy to to go IKEA or the retail park on it from Croydon.
I visited the Croydon Tram for the first time in January. I managed to do the loop, though it took some working out to achieve this and what I found is a particularly tram unit does not ping pong the same route all day the loop sets it off on other legs of the network. Something which would be fun to do; just get on a tram and sit their and see how much of the network it covers in a day.
Hey Dylan, just a little side note but being early in the video you said about tapping in and out on the readers, unlike trains this is not true, it runs on a bus system where you only tap on entry, you aren't required to tap upon exit
Keep up the good work
Seems like quite a good system to me. Every city in the USA should have one in order to facilitate local transportation esp in areas where there are no subways and too few buses. For example, in NYC, a line that runs from Jamaica, NY to East New York/New Lots, down to Flatlands, Marine Park, Sheepshead Bay, and onto Gravesend. There is a need for more public transportation and such a system would fit in quite well.
Nice scenic journey. Unlike the underground where you're in a black hole most of the time.
Extending these beyond Beckenham to Bromley would have made a lot of sense although probably too expensive – I know you can change for Bromley South but having trams run through the centre of Bromley would have taken a lot of strain off the crowded bus network.
Trams are cool 👍
Great trip
'which serve a very niche little network south of the Thames' mate it honestly isnt that small, it serves many purposes and has really high ridership
The first map you showed is well out of date
South London needs an extensive tram network, especially as the underground is quite limited south of the river.
Pls do these Reviews
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Thanks for this one Dylan. In all these years, I've still not managed to have a ride on the the Croydon trams so your bitesize review's worked wonders 👍🏿
Croydon is a shit hole!