The Rental Market in Vilcabamba, Loja, Ecuador – Prices & Tips for your relocation; World Events

Hello guys! It’s interesting how you describe your point of view. And as I see there is no place on earth that is safe unless you rely on government systems heavily and if you are in crowded places.
I am in Ukraine and it’s war I did not run because some how I knew that’s is going to happen and I do have house self sufficient, bunker and I know how I can take mine human body with medical and in worse condition what has in wilderness minerals and vitamins that I can take care of mine human body, as you know that’s why we have food, lol not just to fill our stomach!!!
I have realised that there is more to it as just talk about what is going on it’s how am capable to deal with situations. As I eat just food that grows from earth it’s really great to have excess to it all year round but it is solution that food could be canned and dried.
I am thinking about two countries Ecuador and Spain because where I can have mine food year round and taken from the tree and bushes with maximum of life energy that contains, no chemicals to produce to spray and no chemicals for storing for long time, that is mine life style and it’s what I prioritize because it’s essential on mine mental and physical health.
I am in Ukraine and it’s third world country and I know what that means and Spain it’s in Europe and completely different mentality and honestly I do prefer to have mine privacy and mine social life separately, because private life is about what is the reason for mine human life, and social I can be part of community but I am not a magician Jesus I don’t catch fish with gold coins, don’t make alcohol from water and can’t feed many people with one fish, I am simply human and using mine human energy to have what I have and that needs to be recharged and good recharged in comfort for mine human body so as any other human.
Water is clean and I have water well deep 30 meters. Many things are available anywhere in the world.

There was wars, are and always will be because there is two systems on earth: One system is created by Universe as source of all life with own intelligence to control and human made systems that is based on money as for this civilization those who created golden calf as god of earthly wealth, merchants, 12 brothers of Israel are running the system. The merchant system is not bad if used for trade but when humans are product in that system it’s the cause of all hate on earth.
Everyone talks about geopolitical financial issues but I still don’t get it that no one talks about reboot
On earth and I am sure non of those issues matter and no money can save anyone lol 😂 I am talking about reboot that happened in pharaohs time ago time lol but that was time of stone masons as we see ruin’s around the world! Lol pharaohs knew about that is going to happen and they believe in resurrection lol 😂 do you see any of those mummies came back to life?
I know the reason for human life because I am connected to the main source of all life and I know mine life has begun in Universe before this human body was formed and that drop of life will go back to the source and mine priorities that mine life experiences to know the reason for mine life experiences to learn about creation by Universe everything that I see and wasn’t planted by humans and adapt to all changes on earth, that means was created in life of eternity in own life cycle.
Big shift in tectonic plates around new year that will cause volcanic activity and earthquakes, it’s time when summer and winter switch into opposite locations.
I understand that people don’t sense that but there is nothing I can do. I am a goddess and that means that I am creator for mine life and comfort for mine human body is comfort for mine Life Energy that is connected straight to the souse. So I know the real trinity: spiritual energy of life, soul as collective body of information of human body and body that is moral and recycle.
I am Goddess not a sheep 🐑 I don’t need a shaper , and despite people spiritual beliefs they give birth of humans bodies because the Spiritual entity comes based on creation of creator and reason for human life not in what human belief lol 😂 as you see they fantasy is going above any human imagination.
I will come to Ecuador after I sell mine house and I will feel if mine spiritual energy of divine power is comfortable, if I will be comfortable!
It’s not rocket science to understand that every choice we make is costly financially mentally and physically and you guys absolutely right everyone should seek for places where they feel comfortable!
Mine thought’s good faster than I can type and I have to recall them and sometimes sense is lost.
Maybe one day I will talk vs type and nothing be lost.

From mine point of view I can have mine life in USA not worse maybe even better than in Ukraine if I moved into small towns and people in America in small communities are helping each others and they are kind and generous. It’s from mine experience and I am pretty much sure that people in big cities around the world are very different from people in small towns because of life style.

Looking forward to that Peter is very interesting to talk with .

How safe is Ecuador from Global predators given the oil, silver, and gold in Ecuador? I’m not concerned about banana exports triggering predators.

How easy is it to find contractors to build and add to your home? Do they have basements there? In Canada where I live those kinds of foundations are common.

What is it like there for tent camping/living? Nice podcast. Thanks and Aloha

So good and helpful. Your podcasts are great and helping me to prepare.

LOL You guys are awesome!!
Fiber arts will include skills like weaving, and felting, and encompasses everything from wall art to hats, rugs, tea towels and the clothing you wear. Hemp, wool, bamboo, alpaca, linen, cotton, silk, etc are all examples of "fiber" used for making loads of the daily use household goods we are all familiar with, and also includes less familiar fibers like milkweed, and nettles, which are more common in other countries. I own a tiny natural fiber, ethically made, clothing store here in Canada 🙂 I would love that event!!
I love everything I learn about Ecuador, specifically Vilcabamba, and am not sure I can wait for our exploratory trip in April. I was shopping this week, and saw huge beautiful mango's from Australia, for $10/lb…I weighed one and it was 2lbs, or $20!! For ONE. (no I did not buy one) Good gosh $25 for 72?? My mind is melting lol So eager to arrive you have no idea.

Where I live, 14,000 pop in an isolated community, the drug problem has been declared an emergency. During covid, more ppl died in BC from drug contamination (they are not all over dosing) than from covid, and the situation is just getting worse. Citizens literally carry naloxone kits (the treatment for a fentanyl poisoning) in their cars just in case, and the kits are free at Pharmacies. The BC government decriminalized carrying/using personal amounts of drugs, and made petty crime basically legal. So yeah, people walk into the local grocery store with a cart, fill it up, and walk out, and nothing is done, not even a call to police because the police do nothing but waste time. It's horrible. Where I work at a women's shelter, I have stopped referring people who are homeless to the homeless shelter because it is run by a large organization that hires ppl dealing with addictions, and the person in charge deals drugs. We have had several women report being assaulted there, and some have been hospitalized…so that's our gov't funded homeless shelter.
I can no longer stand living in a culture where all this is accepted, and the government is trusted to be solving issues. The gov't here is not even democratic and ppl don't seem to notice or care.
During covid ppl from Vancouver flocked here, so rent's went from $800 for a nice 2 bedroom to $2000+ Our "30 day stay" safe house has kept women as long as 11 months to prevent homelessness because ppl on fixed incomes have no options, even with all the "gov't support" they can get! Services are currently failing or non-existent despite increased gov't spending and crazy taxes. Leaving at this point is an easy decision for me. Truly the Ecuadorian culture of uniting to stand up for each other, and take care of each other especially vs the gov't and corruption won me over.
Deeply appreciate what you guys share, and your honesty!!
Sorry this is so long but we were all kinda traumatized during covid and I can't vent about this stuff to most ppl here.

I was wondering what the longest length rent on a house with a half acre close to town might be and how much it might be… Something like Carl's family has, maybe?

A GOOD INTERNATIONAL IMAGE OF ECUADOR. WE ARE LIVING A WAVE OF KILLINKDS BECAUS OF DRUGS AND ROBERS. BUT IT WILL BE PEACEFUL AGAIN . TALK ABOUT THE NEW ADMIINISTRATION ES WORKING WITH THE USA TO STOP IT.

Excellent podcast, hope you can go Loja and talk us about the Festival de las Artes, it has to be a great event. Thanks people keep it up.

A very necessary Topic , Well covered, thanks.. One idea for topic, maybe already covered before, is some tips on what to bring when coming for a short exploratory visit.. what increments of cash; a few rolls of coins? can I get change easy for a $100 bill at a bank in Loja? A few trusted taxi drivers you use to get from the airport to Vilcabamba, or to car rental in Loja,.. is there a preferred one, or same treatment at all of them?..etc.

At the end of the video ( yes, i was one of those that made it to end, so i understand i get a free box of mangos when i come lol) you mentioned lower fertility rates. Those go hand in hand with exposure to the BPA in plastics, hormone disrupting chemicals, pesticides and increase sugar consumption. All of those have contributed to lower T in men, hence lower fertility. In the 1940's when plastics were invented, scientists had around 300 chemicals to choose from to make the plastics softer and plyable. They chose the one ( of course conspiracy proven right) BPA which impacts testosterone and fertility in the most severe way. So guys, ditch the plastic, and do what i do…wash your hands after you touch it. BTW…an added bonus. They actually coat the receipts you get at the store with BPA.

🎯 Key Takeaways for quick navigation:

00:00 🌍 Turbulent global events and political upheaval trigger interest in countries like Ecuador for relocation due to rethinking security, food, water sources, and desired community living standards.
03:39 🇪🇨 Ecuadorian market flexibility: Prices aren't fixed; negotiation is common even in ordinary transactions like buying mangoes at significantly reduced rates through direct interaction.
09:51 🛒 Fear-mongering effect: News portrayal of crime incidents in foreign countries can significantly impact people's perceptions, creating a skewed perspective compared to the reality on the ground.
13:00 🚫 Escaping societal issues: Comparison of societal problems, including drug epidemics and homelessness, between different countries like Canada and Ecuador.
16:00 🤝 Community-oriented response in Ecuador: Community solidarity and assistance in times of need compared to a more individualistic approach seen in some other countries.
19:42 💸 Financial concern: Shocking annual interest on the US debt, surpassing a trillion dollars, and its far-reaching implications on the economy and individual financial stability.
22:08 🏘️ Ecuador's rental market varies significantly based on location, with costs relatively lower compared to places like the US. Median salary differences between the US and Ecuador impact the affordability of rentals.
23:14 💰 Rental costs in Ecuador, akin to the US, depend on the region's popularity and local market dynamics. Urban areas like Quito are costlier than rural areas.
24:52 🌍 Regions like Vilcabamba cater to specific demographics; some areas are tourist-centric, influencing rental rates, while less popular regions have lower rental costs.
26:26 🏠 Rental prices in Loja vary widely, starting from around $150/month for basic apartments to $600+/month for luxury apartments.
28:18 🌟 High-end rentals in Loja, around $600 and above, offer luxurious amenities, spacious layouts, and modern conveniences.
30:19 🌄 Vilcabamba and Malacatos have a different rental market. Rentals in Vilcabamba range between $200 to $500 for decent apartments.
31:30 🏘️ The rental market in Vilcabamba is impacted by limited available apartments, leading to a scarcity that affects pricing and availability.
35:16 💼 Rental homes are not commonly built for investment purposes in Ecuador due to the limited profit margin from rentals, impacting the housing supply.
36:26 🌎 Expats significantly influence the rental market, preferring rustic or nature-surrounded rentals, impacting what properties are in demand for rentals.
40:51 🔄 Ecuador's rental market moves swiftly; properties get snapped up quickly, particularly since the onset of COVID-19, making it a competitive landscape for renters.
42:56 🏡 Rental market in Vilcabamba fluctuated due to an influx of interest in 2020, causing prices to rise and tight availability in the valley.
44:37 💰 Negotiation tips for renting in Ecuador: Proposing multiple months' rent in advance or a longer-term stay for a reduced price might be successful.
45:06 💵 Example of renting in Ecuador: Rent at $350/month excluding utilities; negotiation included giving nine months' rent upfront for renovations, resulting in a better, renovated property.
47:24 💡 Understanding "Gringo prices": Discussion on the cultural context and negotiation nuances, explaining how prices can vary based on appearance, language, and familiarity.
49:11 🤝 Cultural norm of negotiation: Ecuadorian buying experiences often involve negotiation; locals may quote higher prices to test the buyer's knowledge or willingness to negotiate.
53:10 🛒 Negotiation is part of everyday life: Yapa culture, where vendors give a little extra as a gesture of building relationships, is common in Ecuador.
55:31 🏙️ Rental practices in Ecuador differ from fixed prices seen in the United States: Negotiation is expected, and rental terms can be flexible, involving discussions on length of stay and utilities.
59:43 🚖 Understanding low-cost living: Explaining the thin margins for local services like taxi rides, emphasizing the importance of understanding market prices without distorting them with overpayment or tipping.
01:02:43 🌍 Declining fertility rates in Latin America are significant, with about half of the region below replacement levels, including Ecuador.
01:03:36 📉 Impact of declining fertility rates on economies and immigration from other countries discussed in future episodes.
01:04:05 🌎 Bolivia, Paraguay, Guatemala, and Honduras still maintain fertility rates above replacement levels in Latin America.
01:05:26 📅 Upcoming content teases include interviews with expats, art festivals, vlogs about cultural events, and sports activities like basketball and baseball in Vilcabamba, Ecuador.