Bali Just Issued a Warning to Influencers. Here’s Why
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But recently, Indonesian immigration authorities issued a warning that has sparked a huge debate online.
Foreign influencers, photographers, YouTubers and digital nomads are being warned that activities many people considered normal on a tourist visa may actually require a different visa category.
The more I researched this story, the more I realised nobody seems to agree where the line between tourism and work actually is.
Does receiving a free hotel stay count as work?
What if you film YouTube videos while travelling?
What if you run an online business from your laptop?
In this video, we break down what’s happening in Bali and explore the much bigger question about the future of work in an increasingly online world.
What do you think? Let us know in the comments.
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00:00 Bali’s influencer warning
00:45 The bigger question nobody can answer
01:35 What Bali immigration is saying
03:08 Where does content creation become work?
04:32 What about business owners and remote workers?
05:16 The future of work is changing
05:32 Surfshark
07:26 Why Bali is cracking down
08:30 The future of online work
09:34 The immigration warning explained
11:15 What do you think?
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25 Comments
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Bali will be no different to other parts of Asia. Earn an income in Bali and they'll want a piece of the cake called TAX.
Good to see Bali is cracking down.
What a funny world we live in. . . To vlog or not to vlog. . .
Its going to get very hard to do anything. I'm afraid that the dream of being a YouTuber in a other countries will get harder. Sucks because is what i am planning to do in Thailand.
Restrictions on working in a foreign country have traditionally been directed at not taking jobs away from local workers. If I wanted to teach yoga in Bali, for example, I would need a work permit and a visa that allowed it. I've never been to Bali but I imagine that there is no shortage of local yoga instructors, so although I could apply for a work visa to teach yoga it is not likely that it would be approved. Actual, physical, and obvious work needs a permit and if there already many local people who can perform the job I'm applying for then why would immigration give me a visa to compete with them?
Digital work is another matter and, as you pointed out, is not always obvious or lucrative. Let's face it, most YouTubers don't make any money at all (me included) but what we do is the same thing as those who make their living on YouTube. Or writers, what if I'm coming to Bali to write a novel would that be "work" in Indonesia? Somerset Maughm wrote many of his stories about and while he was in Malaysia. Would that be considered working in Malaysia today?
As this issue becomes more important, my hope is that the laws will be reconsidered so that the questions you raised in the video are answered clearly. My fear though is that countries will react before a thoughtful understanding of what people who take photos, record videos, etc. are actually doing.
If I make a video of my surfing lesson am I working? I say No, even if YouTube does manage to pay me for the views it generates. But if the surfing instructor teaches me for free because he knows that my video will provide him with free publicity or advertising then Yes, I am working. The instructor could easily have hired a local videographer to do the same thing I'm doing. In this instance I'm taking work away from a local worker. Current law does not address the first instance at all, the second example is exactly what the law was designed to prevent.
Obviously this issue is much more complicated from the regulation side but a clear understanding of what is work and what isn't is needed.
I see influencers I see trash
For all creators, silly and less effective to say “you guys”, just say “You” or Your. What do You think? What’s Your take on the situation? And… This video is super valuable. Thank you Lloyd!
Digital grifters.. Laptop transients.. exploitative self-serving cunts. Deport them all.
Never trust indonesia people.me from malaysia..in 1995 i buy land and make tourist and small hotel business..after succes they want black money i give all the years.after 10 years they kick out foreigner and business..use public department..to many rule after autority ban i selling all and out in 2005
local influencers should have priority in local deals with commercial establishments, lower requirement of followers to incentivize local workforce, and visa holders should show work permit to generate local content or exchange goods. exclude nomad tourists as creators to exchange content for goods. become a creator in your country and enter other countries as a visa holder for work
Fully agree. Should be a thing all over the world. Australia deported an influencer who harassed a native animal
Good.The amount of “floggers” is a joke.Its not a job and way too many people do it.
Sick to death of people walking around with selfie sticks.
in 5 years, breathing in Bali without carbon dioxide visa will be illegal.
Influencers are clearly self employed. If you showed up as a brickie and start working for a homeowner, you’d expect scrutiny eventually. How is digital work for nebulous clients differ?
U can bribe them and they will allow you to do anything… I'm Indonesian and in indonesia the law just a product so just talk nicely, smile and money
My question is: How will Immi control this? and would they know? Everyone has a phone. Not everyone with a laptop is necessarily WORKING! Enter THE LAPTOP POLRI 😂
Samantics on steroids..
There's an ongoing Foreigner backlash going on in a few Regions… Thailand among where Expats are being squeezed more & more > of course short term stays under 3-4 weeks no problem in most places > but if you want to plant yourself for more than that or a few mos… it's becoming exceedingly challenging as the WEF continues encroaching imposing its power on Countries across SEA.
sounds fair , content creators are working there after-all
get rid off them…….wankers should work in Hollywood
A lawyer told me here 15 years ago, that everything is possible to do as long I don't make problems. Now Bali has many problems. Not only influencers pointing on them, but are a part of it.
Come on. Get to your sense. When you make money please dont hide behind tourist visa. Be fair. You wont lose much anyway
For 3 months I traveled around several tourist attractions in Europe, and I was in Thailand for 2 weeks and Vietnam for 2 weeks. Lastly, I visited Bali, Uluwatu, Ubud, and Canggu. From my vacation trip, only in Bali did I see tourists queuing to eat at restaurants. I didn't see that in Thailand or Vietnam. Only in Bali did I see good restaurants, the food was delicious and affordable, the service was classy. When I was about to go home after eating, my motorbike was wiped by the parking attendant. Really good service, no wonder there are so many tourists in Bali.
Hey Mate! I think the difference to be a backpacker who traveled and got free accommodation and food for doing some work, is totally different. As they were physically not making a huge amount of money if any. Now! A content creator who goes to a country to make content. And can make 10's if not hundreds of thousands a year from that content, are not back packers.
So, they should request a working visa etc. But! I think that all countries need to understand the model. And maybe create a visa based on that.
But we can question? We have Billionaires/Trillionaires now that live in their respected countries and pay no tax. It's the crazy world we live in.